UMP Orchestra Group

stnthaha · Amateur Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 317

no proud sure...if malaysian can hav tat standard sure we'll b proud... Cool

but 4 now...da fact is reli they can play better rite...

rowanlim · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:36 am Post subject:

I wouldn't say that foreigners can play better, they just have better opportunities. The issue is that MPO isn't helping to develop local musical talents as they were suppose to. We can't deny that there are more musical talents outside, but if MPO doesn't take the steps to develop our own, then we'll forever be paying through our noses for outside performers. They are the machine to help us achieve this but their gears aren't in the right direction & that blows.
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ash · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:41 am Post subject:

rowanlim · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:56 am Post subject:

^Agreed. There hasn't been much publicity, I feel, about developing the local music scene...sigh...Has anyone heard of government orchestras? Coz I'm not sure about them...
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ash · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject:

rowan, What did u mean by "gov orchestras" ? Like from whom? The Istana Budaya one izzit consider as gov?
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rowanlim · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure myself, syazana told me before we had our own instruments, we loaned the trumpet from Pahang Orchestra...I'm not sure about that either Sad

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radin87 · Amateur Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 151

pahang orkestra? i suppose they're axist but live a quite life.. i means there really not active..

I heard that they tried to see the improvement of UMP orkestra and take some of the members into theirs group..

and from who i heard that from....... perhaps from En Zaki..

Alberto · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:

Ok... the topic is..
MPO = More ppl not from Malaysia playing music,
Reminds me of Malaysian football once when they tried to cancel off the foriegn football playing in any team in the Malaysian football league.
Result = Fottball just got ugly and the games just got a little more ugly in Malaysia...
The thing was, I just think that Malaysians are not ready to produce great football by themselves yet.

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Coming back to the MPO, well I just can't imagine if we want to see 100% Malaysians playing in for the MPO in 10 or 20 years time.
True I read articles about Malaysian musicians playing outside Malaysia, whcih are proof that there are very talented and gifted Malaysians who is very good with music,
BUT I do not believe that if the MPO would like to seek talented Malaysians, hire them and sell out all the foriegn peoples just yet.

1) Nobody is saying "WE WANT MORE MALAYSIANS IN THE MPO" in a gigantic scale

2) The directors of the managing board is having a great time with the money they're getting.

3) The current policy has been working for years and the foriegn musicians are happy and not quiting thier job ===> "We don't need anyone new for the time being"

4) When the MPO is being questioned about thier policies... "HEY WE GOT MPYO!!!!" Yes, the old fashioned stage play or may I say "Something to shout your mouth" or "Poletics"

5) The foriegn musicians are damn good, (I like the big guy he's way too cool for his cello). Have you actually seen them be a total mess or made errors (Yea, they tend to make some but it's supremely hard to even notice any even if you're concentrating on only one person)? ===> Board of directors says "No reason to actually take them out just yet".

Malaysian gold mine of talented musicians would be wasted and would later be dug by other countries that discovered them by accident or just came rolling to them. We all know this happens to other fields of jobs... Why be surprised about the MPO?
Smart students from Malaysia, pure geniuses are being let down by the government themselves (Not given any JPA thingy or even scholarship because of the "status".... What happens? Countries like Singapore and The USA give them scolarships and recruit them.
Architects and Civil Engineers from other countries are summoned to Malaysia.
The damn effect?? Well... We do have the "Twin Towers"... Then again... Singapore might just need some Civil Engineers from Malaysia to help them with thier buildings.

It's sad when we see it in the big picture doesn't it?
That's reality for you and a total for the country itself.

I'm goin to sleep now after spending half an hour to write this.
(It's 5:03AM)
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ash · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:22 am Post subject:

rowanlim · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:13 am Post subject:

Good post, Al. I think it comes down to this: they may or may not change if our voices are heard. If enough people confront the MPO management, there may be changes, there may not. Then I'm not sure if there are enough "voices" to be heard. The people who go to the MPO are mostly foreigners or rich Malaysians. I don't think they would want to pay the same amount of money if there are more Malaysians in the MPO. It's down to their mentality that home-grown potatoes don't taste as nice as USA Russet potatoes.

Again I doubt we can ring up enough support for this. There are improvements, though not in the MPO. The KLPAC (KL Performing Arts Centre) has set up a small string orchestra, mainly comprising talented Malaysians. I'm not sure if they will be forming a complete orchestra soon, but I notice that they emphasize, REALLY emphasize on developing the local music & art scene. Perhaps for the time being, if we invest & support KLPAC, there's the truly Malaysian orchestra that we all dream of.
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Alberto · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:

When I said "accident"... I meant Malaysia's musicians are finding jobs outside Malaysia.... Meaning that other countries are benefiting the fact that talented musicians are founded by accident... (It's just a matter of language..)

The fact is obvious, many Malaysians are finding jobs outside this country and that includes Malaysia's very own talented musicians.
Not only it is thier own disire to work outside this country it is thier dream to actually shine outside this country.
We can't blame them for finding jobs outside Malaysia., they don't feel the neccessity to actually stay in a country that doesn't create enough job opportunities for them to grom and stand proudly as a musician.

If foreign musicians are not damn good...
The MPO would go bankrupt and not generate money every year.
I've seen a violinest play her violin "eye's closed" and really playing gracefully, to me that's damn good.
Maybe I never seen Malaysians playing the violin that good so that's why I'm saying foreign musicians are damn good.
Wait, I forgot... all the good musicians are going out this country finding jobs elsewhere.

Yea reality sucks, I can't see the improvement in the next 50 years in the field of Malaysia's orchestra in every single state or any division.... what else every school...

So.... the MPO getting more Malaysians in thier group???
I can't see that happen as well.

KLPAC might save the befallen picture of Malaysia's orchestra in the making. Then again... It might just be something that we Malaysians not be aware of and just be the same "Temporally Chemical Explosion" and cool down a bit... then fades away becoming something else.

It's all about Malaysians themselves... They concentrate too much about finding job oppotunities for themselves but never thought of creating any or even try to improve what is already running.

Alrighty then, I'm going to do something else now. Toodles everyone.
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rowanlim · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:41 am Post subject:

The real debacle is the IRONY of the MPO. A Malaysian Philharmonic Orchestra with almost, what, 90% foreigners in the group? That's irony for you.

As for Malaysian musicians venturing outside Malaysia to make it big, did it occur to you that if there were opportunities here, they wouldn't consider going out in the first place? I doubt most of them would PERSIST going out of Malaysia if they knew they had a chance, just a chance, of making it big in their own country.

It will be folly to say that there are no talented Malaysian musicians here; we have the people, we just don't have the opportunities. I can imagine the MPO scoffing at the idea of bringing in young Malaysians under their wings to take over their places when they retire. My friend learnt violin under the MPO but it was too expensive for her to continue.

Like I said, it's a sad post for me, I just hope things will look up for future Malaysian talents
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rowanlim · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

Here's an interesting letter, opposing the email, I wonder if it's true, 'coz I feel better after reading it Smile

calebdanvers · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:

^Is that letter a real letter or juz a scam? Cuz if it is real, that's a major blow to Lim Guan Eng. I've been waiting for a long time for someone to slam that door in that arrogant ******* face of his. Twisted Evil

The opposition can't seem to get enuf of bashing Petronas. Seems like everythg that Petronas does always gets in their way. We can do away with such a sick mentality by asking that douchebag to get his facts right.
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rowanlim · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

^It's a real letter, published in the newspaper & at the link I posted above. I think it's genuine. Me thinks that I like this letter Wink

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