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Chingy
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so msia armies r to atk others too? oh my..
then msia shud chg the constitution too, coz m'sia signed for the peace and shudn be getting into war nemor, ^^
korean sent his 1st astro
msia sent ahis 1st astro
but korea is much much much richer den msia, techs, knowledge, econs
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well, i don't know if our constitution stated about that...
i'll let you know if i've gather the intelligence...  |
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I agree with Chingy. We can't compare ourselves to the likes of US or Korea, they are richer than us, and having more dough means they can afford expensive space endeavours. Let's face the facts people. In the CIA World Factbook (2007), it is shown that USA is at the top with USD 13,790,000 million, Korea no 13 with USD 981,900 million. Malaysia is at no40 with USD 165,000 million. Take out a calculator & count the difference between the GDP of both nations to ours. I calculated USA 82.6% and Korea 4.95%. Again, I ask, how can we compare? If Dr S went up on his own paycheck, I've no qualms about it, but he went up on taxpayers' money. That stinks, to put it in layman's terms.
Buying the jetfighters from the Russians is another form of neo-colonization. We are buying their technology while they (or other foreign powers) will most certainly use THEIR best if they want to attack us. Ironically, we are probably funding their research to improve THEIR military technology.
For some reason I'm unable to paste the link here, if you're interested, I'll PM the link to you.
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WELL, I'm so tempted to ask this:
Was Dr Sheikh Muszaphar's educational background the one thg that earned him the ticket to space? What? To carry out a surgery up there on the aliens or extra-terrestrial organisms? Is he qualified to be an astronaut? Come on he's a DOCTOR!!!!!! Have u seen a DOCTOR up in space doing an astronaut's job?
I seriously dun see what A DOCTOR cud do up there in space.......And dun tell me he's undergone a one-year intensive training with the RUSSIANS...Do u really think he would have qualified without our 'BELOVED' gov's intervention? Come on!! think about it, if the GOV seriously left it to the Russians to decide and HE FAILED, where wud OUR 'BELOVED' government ppl hide their faces? In their asses?
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radin87
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Yes, it is undeniable that among the country that has their own austronouts, Malaysia has the least GDP.
But, since 2006. Malaysia has been categorized as the Newly-Industrialized country. This is the country that has reached the standard of Developed Country but still doesn't have the economy might as the DC (developed country).
Other country than Malaysia is South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, China, India, Philiphines, Thailand and Turkey.
Except for Thailand and Philiphines, all the of them has their own astronouts.
Just like i said in the previous thread, this is our first step to developed the technologies ourself. In our cases, we doesn't have the privilage to wait untill our country is rich enough. Just like China and India, they should be invest their GDP on poor people rather than developed their space programme. In addition to that, there is a 100 years gap in term of technologies if compare to the first world country.
I think you will learn this more on impact of globalization..
This is just merely my opinion based on the fact that i have.. |
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Knowledge sharing:
Anyone despite their education background can became an astronouts.
Example:
Sergey Aleksandrovich Volkov (Russia) - assistant aircraft commander
Peggy Annette Whitson (USA) - biochemistry researcher
Yi So-yeon (Korea) - Biotech Researcher
Garrett Erin Reisman (USA) - Engineer
Marcos C�sar Pontes (Brazil) - Air force pilot
Linda Maxine Godwin (USA) - scientist
Janet L. Kavandi (USA) - chemistry graduate
Koichi Wakata (Japan) - Structural Engineer
Sergei Viktorovich Zalyotin (Russia) - Pilot also a degree holder of ecological management
Sharon Christa Corrigan McAuliffe (USA) - teacher |
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haiz... radin... u really did lots of research on this topic huh? well people... just to share my thought... I feel that there is no need to take it so serious on this... haiz...
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well.. it is a forum right?
just like ms admin said, anything that you wanted to say comes with the fact...
"just add a little knowledge sharing, so that the forum will be more fun.. i love this sort of things.."
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rowanlim
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| radin87 wrote: | well.. it is a forum right?
just like ms admin said, anything that you wanted to say comes with the fact...
"just add a little knowledge sharing, so that the forum will be more fun.. i love this sort of things.."
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It's good to share views, to share information 
But I still think the government shouldn't have done the project 
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U sure have done a lot of research on that....But a doctor up there in space? Have u even heard that he was only up there in space doing nuthing? And dont go telling us all bout the stuff on the research bla bla bla...cuz I'm so sick of it!! SO what have that USD25million earned us?PRIDE?DIGNITY?CANCER-CURING VACCINE?MAYBE WE SHUD EMBARK ON THE INNOCULATION RIGHT AWAY?!!OH FOR GOD'S SAKE, GO GET A LIFE!!!
HAVE PPL BEEN SO GOD**** OBLIVIOUS OF THIS FACT?
NASA described 'the Malaysian' as a 'spaceflight participant... flying under contract with the Russian Federal Space Agency'
Now DUN FORGET that we r doing BUSINESS with the RUSSIANS....THEY HAD TO RECOGNIZE HIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AS A COSMONAUT/ASTRONAUT WHATSOEVER!!!!
IT IS NOT A MATTER OF HIS EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME.WAS HE QUALIFIED FOR THAT 'SPACE TRIP'?AS I HAD POINTED OUT, WITHOUT OUR 'BELOVED' GOV'S INTERVENTION, HE WUDNT HAVE BEEN SELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a chinese proverb that reads 'If we dun have that big of a HEAD,dun wear that big of a HAT.
When U AIN'T GOT THE MONEY,better spend it down here on EARTH for dengue research.Almost nuthing has been allocated for dengue research and we are SPENDING USD25million plus another USD900million to do research in space?
Globalization????Now this is amusing!!!!!Global warming is here to stay GIVING US A BIG HEADACHE and what hav MALAYSIANS been doing bout that?Going GLOBAL by going into SPACE?How exactly GLOBAL have we been?
I'm off for the States AGAIN this summer and I'm gonna ask around bout OUR 'PRIDE AND DIGNITY' SPACEFLIGHT PARTICIPANT......Whether NASA recognizes him AS AN ASTRONAUT and the reasons behind the ruling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of corse last summer when I was there in the States in New York,ppl there had mistaken MALAYSIA AS INDONESIA...EVEN WORSE,SOME MISTOOK US AS SINGAPORE....OH WELL,SINCE WE R GOING EVER SO GLOBAL,LET'S ASK THEM WHERE MALAYSIA IS AGAIN THIS TIME.My frens'd be GLAD to answer.
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rowanlim
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Calebdanvers, please be less aggressive when giving your points. Less attack would be more appropriate. Thanks.
On-topic; Until now, I've heard no major positive breakthrough about the Angkasawan's work in space. So I wonder if all the hype was that we are sending a Malaysian to space or something else. Sigh.
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OH WELL,FIRST OF ALL I CAN'T STAND THE WORD 'GLOBALIZATION'
I MEAN HAV WE BEEN SO BLIND THAT PPL ARE LAUGHING AT US BEHIND OUR BACKS?CALLING MYSELF MALAYSIAN AND ASKING THE NEW YORKERS BOUT OUR SPACEFLIGHT PARTICIPANT?WUDN'T THAT BE SO LAME?
THOSE WHO'D TAKEN IT PERSONALLY SORRY NO OFFENSE
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Now this would be a change of sentiment for me, but I'm still reserving my judgement. I read the NST today (oh to hold a newspaper again...), and there was a short news article about the Angkasawan. I quote:
| Quote: | Delay the lift-off, says angkasawan
PENDANG: Educate the public first on astronomy before pressing for the second angkasawan mission.
Angkasawan Dr Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor Sheikh Mustapha said this in response to a Malay daily that suggested the Angkasawan Programme be put on hold for a while and efforts are made to educate the public.
"After coming back from my mission to space, I have been touring around the country to share my experience and knowledge that I have gained," said Sheikh Muszaphar after meeting students at the Maktab Rendah Sains Mara Pendang here yesterday.
Present was Sungai Tiang state assemblywoman Suraya Yaacob.
"And I found that, the young ones were still having difficulties in identifying planets and their general knowledge on space is lacking.
"I believe it would be better for us to use the cost of funding the mission to educate the people, especially the younger generation.
"If we do not have the proper awareness, it would be no point sending another Malay-sian to space. We have to consider the decision to send the second angkasawan carefully as it would involve a large sum of the people's money."
He was also asked on suggestions to create awareness of the people.
Muszaphar said astronaut clubs could be set up in schools, and books on outer space could be published for primary school pupils.
He added that the National Science Centre could also play a bigger role in this awareness programme. |
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Well this is a good idea, but I'm still not sure if that's truly what HE THINKS or a line given by OTHERS. Either way, this is the kind of approach the government should take. Not lauding the space trip. I hope they knock some sense into their heads.
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radin87
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| rowanlim wrote: | | radin87 wrote: | well.. it is a forum right?
just like ms admin said, anything that you wanted to say comes with the fact...
"just add a little knowledge sharing, so that the forum will be more fun.. i love this sort of things.."
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It's good to share views, to share information
But I still think the government shouldn't have done the project |
I know you would say that..
Even the ISS is heavily ctitisize because of its high cost. The ISS is the most expensive project ever done by human.
Most critics say that the money could be spent on better project like investigations of problems here on Earth, or just tax savings.
If America also being critisized.. the same thing also happens to Malaysia.
Well, you cannot please everyone right? |
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rowanlim
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^It all comes down to who is doing it & where are the fund coming from. For the US, they have been developing space technology for decades, I would feel I don't mind them setting up the ISS because it's not OUR MONEY THAT'S BEING SPENT. It's not the money my parents worked hard to pay the government, it's not the money that OTHER families worked hard for, that's why I'm not so passionate about it. But when it's OUR money that's being flung to space. If the government had spent it on research, or to quote Dr.S:
| Quote: | "I believe it would be better for us to use the cost of funding the mission to educate the people, especially the younger generation.
"If we do not have the proper awareness, it would be no point sending another Malay-sian to space. We have to consider the decision to send the second angkasawan carefully as it would involve a large sum of the people's money."
He was also asked on suggestions to create awareness of the people.
Muszaphar said astronaut clubs could be set up in schools, and books on outer space could be published for primary school pupils. |
We should build the foundations first before getting on the spaceship. I think the next article really shows the level of space education in Malaysia, taken from here
| Quote: | Ground-level realities at planetarium
It was to have been a pleasant Saturday afternoon outing with my other half to the National Planetarium at the National Space Agency in Jalan Perdana, Kuala Lumpur. Instead we experienced a rather unsavoury but typically Cronesian encounter.
We had bought tickets to watch two documentaries - Mystery of the Red Planet and Solar Max - at the planetarium theatrette.
For both screenings, the auditorium was packed with boys and girls obviously on a class excursion and accompanied by their teachers. The shorter film, Mystery of the Red Planet, was presented by our own science, technology and innovations ministry and was very much dumbed down.
Its Sesame Street-like approach was excruciating for us two adults but never mind, we rationalised it was, tailored for a young audience and would probably be educational for the students present.
However, did the students - in their mid-teens, judging from their turquoise baju kurung uniform - benefit from watching it?
We think not as most of the time, the narration was drowned by hooting, catcalls, wolf-whistles and sporadic clapping, deliberately done to disrupt the show. It was the boys who were rowdy but the girls played along too.
Some smart alecks with torchlights and laser pointer keychains also shone beams of light with a novelty pattern (in this case, as red butterfly) intermittently onto the dome ceiling, onto which the film was projected.
Not only was their action inconsiderate and distracting to the scant few interested members of the audience, it showed a tremendous lack of respect for the culture of knowledge acquisition.
It was not an environment where knowledge-seeking students listened with rapt attention. The general inattentiveness led us to conclude that the students could not possibly have grasped the content of the documentary.
The level of English (simplified as it was) was beyond them. We shudder to think that among the audience that day could be our next generation of political leaders and captains of crony industry.
On another note, the longer film Solar Max was decent enough if not for the unfortunate muffling of the narration.
But if you thought the audience was bad, the planetarium management was a crying shame in comparison. Upon buying our tickets, we were given a complimentary mouse pad bearing a blurb-synopsis of another documentary Mystery of the Maya slated for a later screening in the afternoon.
I reproduce the text (below) verbatim, in all its shining glory of bad grammar, erroneous spelling and atrocious punctuation.
�Mystery of the Maya
Maya are groups of people live between Mexico and Guantamala. They have been there since 11,000 years ago before century. Living in harmony among them with highly civilization on their period. These amazing civilization includes calendar system, astronomy, mathematics and traded.
This film will bring the audience together with John Lyod Stephens to the journey of Maya civilization. Most of the Maya people staying in cities. They were under control by King Pacal that follow rules name Palenque.
Atronomy; cally Maya believed that Earth were a flat four corners. Each corner has different colour. Movement of planets, Moon, Sun and stars give them a lot of knowledge. The information they accumulated were then converted to annual calendar.
The Maya writing sytem is considered (*by archaeologist) to be most sophisticated system ever developed in their period. About 800 symbols were used to express their message. They carved on woods, lime stone and pottery.
Understanding of symbols was developed in the calculation which later were called mathematics. 12 were symbolized by 2 straight line with 2 dots.
Finally,in the end a question, will arise. What had happenned actually that resulted in the abandonment of Maya's civilization around 900AD? What had caused the kings to lose their kingdom along with their honour. what make them turn to farmers.
E-mel: [email protected] Laman web: http://www.angkasa.gov.my�
Who in the Kementerian Sains, Teknologi dan Inovasi wrote the sorry text above? With these people from the ministry in the role of educators, I shudder to think about the products of their teaching. After all, they were certainly �innovative� with the English language.
I also have a little piece of constructive advice for Science, Technology and Innovations Minister Jamaluddin Jarjis.
I hear that your ministry has been allocated a sum to send a Cronesia Boleh space tourist � err � astronaut, to the black beyond. I strongly believe that this money would be better spent on the ground.
I also recommend that you donate a big slice of your ministry�s budget to improve the understanding of science in our national schools because, if these chest-thumping and ignorant youngsters represent our country's future, it will not only be the non-bumis who will be immigrating in droves to faraway lands. |
What a sad situation. 
Here's an update:
| Quote: | Zero cash for second phase of Angkasawan space programme
The country�s space programme looks to be as good as grounded. There is no money for the programme.
�Under the mid-term review, I can say that there is zero money. If we want to proceed with the second phase we have to look for money,� Science, Technology and Innovation Minister Datuk Dr Maximus Ongkili told reporters after the launch of the Creativity and Innovation Day 2008 celebrations at KL Tower yesterday.
�So far, I am waiting for the results of an analysis report from the International Space Station on its costs and benefits before I go to my Cabinet colleagues for guidance.
�We can consider looking for money,� he said, adding that he should be able to answer questions on the matter in Parliament next week.
In principle the Government wants to move to the next phase of the programme, subject to availability of funds, but it would also have to consider competing priorities, particularly social development needs, he said.
In the first phase of the programme, Dr Sheikh Muszaphar Sheikh Shukor and two other astronauts blasted into space in a Russian-built Soyuz 11 rocket from Baikonour in Kazakhstan on Oct 10 last year.
It was partly funded by the deal related to the purchase of Sukhoi SU30MKM fighter jets from the Russian Government.
Ongkili also said that the National Science Centre would be corporatised to give it autonomy to make its own decisions before the end of the year.
�We want it to be an interactive learning centre,� he added.
On the ministry-managed innovation fund, which now has RM2bil for research and technology, Ongkili said the ministry was streamlining its processes to make them more transparent, competitive and easily available following complaints that it was not easily accessible. |
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Fantastic. Now there's no fund to continue the program? Ouch.
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