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rowanlim
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 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Angkasawan Woes |
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Well I must say, I had RESTRAINED myself from posting here about the BELOVED SPACE TOURIST coming to UMP (hear the sarcasm dripping?). Yet I feel it's time to let y'all know how I feel & hopefully let's see what we've to say about this "happening" event in UMP.
I DID NOT support the government's Angkasawan program. Heck, I STILL DON'T SUPPORT IT. Why?
Did you know that RM95million was spent to send our dear friend to space? RM95MILLION That's alot of hard work, sweat, blood & tears in the form of taxpayers' money. Let me quote from Lim Kit Siang's blog:
| Quote: | OK, it�s a small step for Dr. Muszaphar. No, I think it�s a wonderful big leap for Dr. Muszaphar personally. It�s a experience of a lifetime.
But for the nation, no - it�s not even a small step. What we know now is that this was a paid trip. How does that make Malaysia great�? And, by golly, imagine all the media hype as if we have produced our first Nobel prize winner! Come off it, fellas. That song on TV - something about �Malaysia Gemilang� was totally out of place. It makes me squirm to think that a couple of Malaysians who received training over a few months to be cosmonauts because the nation exchanged cash for some weaponry for seats on the space shuttle can even make Malaysia great (in whose eyes?) simply makes me choke.
But that�s Malaysia a�la Pak Lah, a�la Najib and thanks to Dr M, the progenitor of the most ludicrous forms of Malaysian greatness. I personally do not think sending one person on a, and I repeat, paid ticket, can ever come close to some prognostication of scientific advancement in space programs. Can we have the next joke, please?
BTW, Najib has not yet responded to so many doubts strewn about all those military hardware purchases in the Min of Defence during his watch. The answers are floating somewhere in space. |
So someone was saying that our dear doctor went up to space for FREE, the money was spent on Sukhoi weaponry, where on earth did that come from? Feel free to enlighten me:
| Quote: | Malaysia will buy 18 Sukhoi jetfighters from Russia in a deal estimated to be worth 900 million dollars, Defence Minister Najib Razak announced Monday.
"We are happy to announce that Malaysia has agreed to buy 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKM aircraft," Najib told reporters after talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov.
He said the original Su-30MK fighters would "modified in terms of technical applications to meet Malaysia's own requirements", and hence renamed Su-30MKM. The modifications included adding "suitable weaponry," he said.
"Financial and technical talks have been held and an understanding has been achieved but there are still some formalities to be settled," he said, adding that a formal announcement would be made soon.
Ivanov said at press conference with Najib that the value of the contract was "tentatively 900 million dollars."
"I believe what matters is not the value of the contract but that it shows that Malaysia and Russia are at military cooperation in the long-term," he said.
"With the upcoming closure of the deal, this shows that Russia is ready for serious cooperation with Malaysia and will supply Malaysia with military technology and know-how."
Najib said the purchase for the Royal Malaysian Air Force formed part of Malaysia's military upgrading process.
"We recognise the need to have multi-role combat aircraft and we have decided that the Sukhoi is a suitable aircraft to fulfill our requirements," he added. |
So RM900MILLION went to either funding a space tourist's adventure or weaponry. Either way, POVERTY is STILL a big issue in Malaysia:
| Quote: | | The other day a schoolgirl hanged herself because her parents (working as security guards) are too poor to buy her a new set of school uniform. But the Dollah administration pretends not to know about this and spent RM95 million to buy a taxi ride to space. Before that, it raised the price of petrol by 30sen a litre, claiming that it could no longer afford the cost of subsidizing it. What a hypocrite�. |
I wonder how many school uniforms RM900million can buy. So let's say the trip IS free, which I doubt. Is it HONESTLY something to be proud of? We are using foreign technology to get to space, the guy comes back as a hero (for what, exactly?), he's getting endorsements...Poverty's still an issue, imagine how many public university seats will open if HALF of that RM950million was used to sponsor students...Lovely thought.
Now this article from Malaysia Kini is interesting. Shows how shallow our government, & all you horny & naive people out there, really are. SHAME:
| Quote: | This is about cost. I am very curious on just how much does this whole exercise costs us as Malaysian. I have done some research, thanks to our friendly Singaporean newspaper, the Straits Times.
"The US$25 million (RM84.3 million) agreement for a Malaysian to fly to space was negotiated in 2003 with a US$900 million deal for Malaysia to buy 18 Russian fighter jets."
We have spent an appalling US$925 million, or RM3.1 billion, to send one Malaysian for a 11-day return trip to space with a throw-in deal of 18 Russian fighter jets (Actual condition and value of the jets are unknown)
Can you imagine how much our nation can do with RM 3.1 billion if spent on education or health services? I personally felt that the cost is not justifiable and if our very own Malaysian by his or her personal merits was accepted by Nasa or Russian Space Agency to fly to space, I would be very proud and it is indeed something to celebrate.
This is just exorbitant spending with really nothing much to prove. We have not achieved anything by paying a huge sum to sent one Malaysian into space when the money can be better spent. |
So there you go, we PAID to send him to space. My father, your fathers, worked HARD to have all that money used to give a free trip to space. Oh don't think you can pull that "he did experiments in space crap" on me. What did he do in space? I quote BERNAMA:
| Quote: | 5 Interesting Experiments By Malaysian Astronaut
The first was the spinning of the Malaysian traditional game gasing (top), where he attached a string to a 95-gramme top made of aluminium and let it spin in mid-air in horizontal and vertical positions for less than a minute.
In the second experiment, Dr Sheikh Muszaphar pressed a pack containing strawberry juice which came out within seconds in a jelly-like substance floating in mid-air.
He later used a spoon to scoop the floating jelly and put it into his mouth.
The third experiment involved the mixing of oil and water in a square-shaped crystal box with the substances mixing well in microgravity condition. In normal situation oil floats on top of water.
In his fourth experiment Dr Sheikh Muszaphar showed the audience on earth how a yo-yo would swing in microgravity condition.
Under normal circumstances, a yo-yo goes up and down when in play but in a microgravity condition, the yo-yo goes up, down and to the front as well.
In his last experiment, he showed the differences in velocity of three balls of different sizes, travelling in microgravity.
The balls appeared to have moved in slow motion during the experiment.
The video conference about microgravity with the Malaysian astronaut was telecast live by Astro and watched by students brought specially to the National Science Centre here. It was also attended by Deputy Education Minister Datuk Noh Omar and Deputy Science, Technology and Innovations Minister Datuk Kong Cho Ha.
During the 10-minute session, Dr Sheikh Muszaphar wore a short-sleeved batik shirt, the Jalur Gemilang hanging proudly in the background. Kong also asked Dr Sheikh Muszaphar what was his biggest challenge at the ISS.
Dr Sheikh Muszaphar replied that it was sleeping in the same place like people would do on earth.
He said he would sleep in one place and would find himself waking up the next day at a different place.
Saying that he was doing well, the Malaysian astronaut also advised the students to study hard and show keen interest in science subjects.
Meanwhile, speaking to reporters, Noh said the ministry would look into the possibility of introducing new subjects related to microgravity and space science. |
WOW. I guess even UMP students can't do that. Cheers to idiots, again.
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that's why we have Lim Kit Siang representing us now....hope he can do smtg about it lo........
let us just take a deep breath & sigh..................
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This morning i got join them at dk1 as a "camera man"!! i can't say it's right or wrong coz i heard tat they went to the ISS(interntional space station) to do research on the cell, such as cancer cell. What if, one day they really found out the solution to prevent or immune the tumour or cancer cell? Then it's can help thousand or even millon peoples from suffer the cancer. In america, 1 of the two person will get cancer. The percentage is so high.  |
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rowanlim
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| jjdavid wrote: | | This morning i got join them at dk1 as a "camera man"!! i can't say it's right or wrong coz i heard tat they went to the ISS(interntional space station) to do research on the cell, such as cancer cell. What if, one day they really found out the solution to prevent or immune the tumour or cancer cell? Then it's can help thousand or even millon peoples from suffer the cancer. In america, 1 of the two person will get cancer. The percentage is so high. |
Refreshing response. I still ache thinking of the money gone to the space trip.
1. Education: the gov can sponsor more people to enter public universities. That's a good thing. In addition, we could create students who are ACTUALLY QUALIFIED TO BE AN ASTRONAUT/SPACE ENGINEER.
2. Welfare: do you know that there are many people out there living on less than Rm500 a month from the Welfare Department? Obviously some cash would be MOST appreciated there.
3. Technology: RM95million could go a long way to develop technology in our own country. We're sending him on a RUSSIAN shuttle, using RUSSIAN technology. Basically he's just a guest, ladies & gentlemen.
4. Health: the gov could also spend money in providing dialysis machines, better medical facilities, so those less privileged citizens (who can't afford pricey medical fees) have a chance at a healthier life.
To end this post, here's a quote from Alfred Ho, the first blind individual to join the DAP in Seputeh:
| Quote: | Astronomical waste for our astronaut
Like all other right-thinking Malaysians, I wish to register my protest with the Barisan Nasional government for spending the astronomical sum of RM100 million just to send a Malaysian tourist to space. In my opinion, this is absolutely criminal.
This huge amount of money could have been better spent by subsidising food prices, petrol and toll hikes and providing better healthcare for all Malaysians. It has come to my attention that this space adventure is the brainchild of ex-premier Mahathir Mohamad, and the present administration has chosen to carry out his legacy.
To add insult to injury, I believe that the Barisan government will be sending another Malaysian space tourist into space next year, thus throwing another RM100 million of taxpayer's money down the drain. I think that as loyal citizens of the country, we should speak out with regards to the wastage of public funds, and that these funds should be put to better use to benefit us all Malaysians. |
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| politicians hv their own perspectives n v as students or citizens of this "GREAT" nation hv our own too.... they say it is wise 2 spent tat 100 million n v said it's damn stupid 2 throw it away!!! who's right n who's wrong? it's juz depending on everyone's perspective... to me, the space programme is juz a fruitless propaganda. frankly, it's nt fair 4 all da tax payers, they worked so hard n tis is wat they get. it's practically nothing!!! da propaganda is also playing its ****ty role... does da gov eally think tat other nations r goin 2 b impressed by tat? hey!! even a millionaire cn go up thr, u pervertic morons!!!! talkin abt doin researches 2 cure cancers, do u seriously think tat researching 4 a couple of days in ISS will change da results? wake up guys!!! da russians n all da international crews who r obviously much more advanced than us hv been up thr researching 4 tis thing since "pre-historic" time, whn our gov were boasting abt our own national car which uses japanese engine, us made tyres n german made car axels... wake up my frens!!! v should've spent tis money on stabilizing our own educational system, nt 4 some stupid dignity!!! is tat really tat important? education is our dignity, it's nt all abt being da 1st or greatest or largest or richest!!! v cn do tat once v hv our stable education, v cn b watever v want once v hv da superior knwledge. do they seriously think tat by achieving all tat thing, v cn survive another wave of economic depression? or a global epidemic, famine, war, environmental issues? l personally dont think so. gov is juz playing childish decision n plz... sometimes, sarcasm is a gd medicine, 4 da better of gov. n tat depends on hw u judge tat sarcasm... do b a mature gov, tat's wat ppl need! |
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rowanlim
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Today's news article should give a reality check (source)
| Quote: | Rising commodity prices and slower economic growth could pose challenges to the country achieving the fiscal deficit target of 3.1% for 2008.
Second Finance Minister Tan Sri Nor Mohamed Yakcop said on Tuesday the Government would maintain the target at 3.1% although it would be tough to achieve.
"Given the new global challenges, management of fiscal issues has become much more challenging than in previous years," he told reporters Tuesday at the soft launch of Agrobank's new brand and logo.
The Government had announced plans to reduce the fiscal deficit to 3.1% of GDP this year from 3.2% in 2007. However, escalating energy and food prices have raised concerns that instead of decreasing, the budget deficit could grow this year.
The rising oil prices have made it more expensive for the Government to provide subsidies. Nor Mohamed had been earlier reported as saying that the fuel subsidy bill could hit RM35bil this year if crude oil prices continued to stay around US$100 per barrel.
He said the Government was currently taking steps to solve problems caused by rising prices and growing subsidies.
He said the Government had set up a Cabinet committee to ensure prices of essential items remained stable. |
Wow, guess that RM90million could come in handy as a buffer huh...
This article's pretty good too:
| Quote: | Why not send orang-utan to space?
Malaysia will be sending a Malaysian astronaut into space to carry out experiments on, of all things, top-spinning, �batu seremban� (traditional children�s game), batik painting and �teh tarik�. This should really go into our Malaysian Guinness Book of Records as the biggest ever joke a country has pulled out and also as the most expensive.
I couldn�t believe my eyes when I read about the news. What kind of headlines will Malaysia be making our astronaut returns? I wouldn�t want to wait for that to happen. Probably, I would be taking a week�s leave to hide my face beneath my bed sheet.
Is that the best that the science, technology and innovations ministry can think of for our experiments in space? What benefits will the experiments bring to mankind or even to Malaysian in particular? Any secondary school science students can figure out the answer even before the experiments are carried out.
Top-spinning in space? There is no gravity in space. You will end up with a �top floating� instead of a top-spinning. Play �batu seremban�? I doubt if the people in the ministry ever played �batu seremban� before. The simple rule of playing �batu seremban� is throwing and catching the �batu seremban� before it falls on the ground.
In space, you will end up with all the �batu seremban� floating around and not falling. You can even have your so so-call �teh tarik� midway through the game without any worry that the �batu seremban� will fall.
I will not even go into �batik printing� and making �teh tarik� in space. It was claimed that the programme will not cost anything as it is part of an offset arrangement for the purchase of Russian military aircraft. Well, there is still a cost implication if only indirectly. Don�t they realise this?
I would rather send a Malaysian orang-utan into space at this point of time. At least it will save us Malaysians the embarrassment if it makes a fool of itself in space. |
It's hard to be proud of Malaysia when the gov consistently does things that are incredibly ridiculous. This has got to be the gov's most expensive joke ever.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: What can I say? |
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Well, I encountered a lot of figures, 92 millions, 100 millions...
I will surely get my fingers and palms sprained if I were given the opportunity to count those money, and my eyes, too, will end up spinning after witnessing so much notes flying pass right in front of my me.
They were really flying away forever, giving us a painful goodbye kiss.
Flying into the space, flying into the stomach of the space tokoh!
Hey Government I love you. You made us know you are blind, you do not have expenditure awareness and thank you your extravagant action that hinted me not to draw a cross for you but other than you! |
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haih, sad to hear that too, many hv stated opinions similar to mine, so i dun hafta explain much on Dr.M and his journey.
from wat i heard (not sure the source), this fella was chosen not among the best choices, and guess wat? coz of...... (racist statement, therefore will not be written) ^^. peace
now im gonna say sumtin bout the sukhoi/defense, i wonder why malaysia spend so much money on defense too? coz if we're attacked, the only countries that will attack us are thoes military countries (usa, russia, china, korea, germany)and when they do attack us, there is no way we can survive. last few years, m'sia spent few mils to buy a "used" submarine. US can easily send 2 "new" subs if they want to. lets look at japan, they spend minimum budget on defense, more on researches and now they are one of the richest, both assets and knowledge. if m'sia do spend a lil more in education.....  think!!
neways, im not saying im a superior in money management, so im not saying im right, mayb gov have their own agenda ?!?!?. But gov, plz spend our money wisely.
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Chingy. Where on earth you got the news that the astronaut was chosen because of racist and etc?? so ridiculous. how can you hear rumors and spread it out? In Islam, it's sin, you know. The astronaut was chosen because of his capabilities and criteria. The top 10 even top 20 were chosen by NASA and MOSTI.. they are from all over the world. How can u said it was chosen by racist bla bla bla.. it doesnt made sense. you are just putting more oil on the fire.
I was wondering, most of us dont believe on malaysia medias. But how come some of us can believe in Malaysia Kini and all the Ministers' Blogs. Do u think all the Minister have enough time to write a blog if they don't even have time to meet their citizen?
whatever it is..i just hate politics and stupid government thou.. they talk crap. no matter they are BN or BA or PAS or whatever they are.. |
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Beebe, yes I got the quotes from a politician's blog, but I never said that HE wrote it. If you check his blog, the comments were from other blog users. His statement was very obviously pro-Gov. The comments were given by other individuals.
Here is the link, feel free to read, then comment.
Don't criticize other people's ideas so harshly; Chingy said he HEARD it & didn't elaborate on that. Neither did he make a personal racist statement. No need to get defensive. We don't promote racism here. Thanks
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@bebee, read my post carefully, i din say it was a fact, i say i heard. im just writing it down coz thats wat i noe, u said how i noe he was not chosen among the best, may i ask u how u noe he was chosen among the best? neways i din say it was fact earlier tho.
i din say chosing him was racist, i said im bout to write a racist statement and then im leaving it blank, coz im being generous and being thoughtful by not putting fire into conversation, i noe im malaysian. i even "peace" it up there. im not brainwashing others, im just letting others to think outside the box.
u wrote,
"The astronaut was chosen because of his capabilities and criteria. The top 10 even top 20 were chosen by NASA and MOSTI.. they are from all over the world. How can u said it was chosen by racist bla bla bla.. it doesnt made sense. you are just putting more oil on the fire.
I was wondering, most of us dont believe on malaysia medias. But how come some of us can believe in Malaysia Kini and all the Ministers' Blogs. Do u think all the Minister have enough time to write a blog if they don't even have time to meet their citizen? "
where on earth did u find those statements? and u're saying bout beliefs in ur next para?
lets make it very clear, i come in peace, i share my ideas doesn mean that i intent to flame others, diff pple have diff beliefs and i respect everyones thoughts. and to u bebee, cheers and peace. if i wrote anything that really disturbs u, forgive me k. im not gd in arranging words tho.
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Chingy & Beebe, let's get back on topic. Let's not attack each other. I hope the misunderstanding has cleared up. Thanks. 
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USD25million for a cab to space is really a F****** staggering amount. And, HELL here we r, spending another bull**** USD900million on some SUPER INVINCIBLE fighter jets? F****** ****, our parents have been working their asses off to pay the taxes only to be lavishly spent this way?
I must say I really am LOOKING FORWARD to the other spendings the GOVERNMENT has been doing lately!! What? Another hike in the wages of our 'HARDWORKING WHO bull**** ALL THE TIME ' MINISTERS? Price HIKE for another 20 times on petrol? Price HIKE on food twice a day? Taxing the ordinary citizens on all goods? Oh go get a life....I'm definitely going for the OPP in the next general election. I had been exercising restraint long enough and this time I won't go easy on this "I Get I Spend' Government!!!!!!!
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I was told that we should be proud of our astronaut:
1. He's doing cancer research. Again I'd like to point out his progress is not a SIGNIFICANT one & the money could be invested in ground-level cancer institutes ALREADY present in the country.
2. We buy the fighter jets to protect ourselves. Foochowppl87 pointed out that it wil take forever for us to be up-to-date with recent military development. If the big world powers decide to attack us, I doubt we'd be able to hold out with THEIR technology, they'll only bring in bigger guns & we'd be dust. I agree that we should develop our own technology first; using other people's technology only SHOWS the flaws because the Russians would KNOW (very well) the flaws of the jet fighters they've sold to us.
3. For glory. Where is the glory in sending a Malaysian in space with Russian technology? Simple minded indeed.
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I'm just wanted to share some of the knowledge that i got. For the case of Malaysian Angkasawan, i'm neutral. But leaning to agree about sending the angkasawan.
I think i'm also agree that sending the angkasawan wasted the people's money. But, to achieve something we want comes with a equal value of price. There s some interesting fact that i want to share with all of you.
1) About Malaysian Military
It is true that Japan doesn't spend much on their military, even more spectacular another country like Switzerland even want to abolished their own Military service. In the Japan cases, it is clearly stated in their constitution that their military will never be used to attacked another country, so that's why their doesn't spend much...
With our current military might, we will easily lost if we attacked another country. But if we being attacked, the circumstances is 50-50 (by any country generally). Win or lost depending on the situation. So, in my opinion.. it is wort it to spend some to our Military service.
2) About Malaysian Space Programme
Accept for USA, Russia and China.. no other country has their own rocket launcher. Which means they can sent astronouts to space independently.
It is true that Malaysia had to use Russia Space programme to sent our austronouts to space. Most expert said that, this is the first step to Malaysia before we can developed our own rocket or even our own launcher.
After 2009++,even USA had to use Russia Space programme to sent their astronouts to space. This is because, the USA current space shuttle almost at its expired dates and their new rocket programme.. the Ouron had not finished developed yet. So, not a big deal right??
In addition to that, even the Korea sent their first astronouts to space using the Russian space Programme..
3)Malaysian Media
I consider the biggest joke of all about our angkasawan programme is when our media only refers more about gasing, teh tarik and all of those unnecessary things... they should be focus more about the ISS or bikonour or sayuts or Malaysian Space program itself... Looks like our media still loves with unnecessary things i would say..
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